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Pac-10 Expansion: Why not BYU?

While the powers that be are presumably discussing the pros and cons of a Pac-10 expansion behind closed doors, it is important to recognize that the inclusion of BYU remains unlikely - just as it has been in the past. Therefore, despite public conjecture like Ray Ratto's piece earlier in the week, or even Bleacher Report's recent breakdown, the fact remains that there are too many intangibles to account for outside of Larry Scott's primary statement:

"We're looking at it [expansion] very seriously. It wasn't something identified for me by the presidents when I took the job. But it's very natural as you look at the value of the conference from a media standpoint. If we were ever going to look at expansion, this would be the logical time."

So, what are the underlying factors that would cause the Pac-10 to welcome (assuredly with the University of Utah) or shun BYU?

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The Pac-10 would contemplate BYU in its expansion for several reasons, many of them already detailed elsewhere. Jeremy Mauss of MWC Connection has explained the Pac-10's reasoning as a preemptive strike, before the MWC could attain Automatic-Qualifier status:

"...the BCS is currently evaluating conferences to determine AQ status. The evaluation began in 2008 and ends with the 2011 season. The MWC is looking very strong thus far and will likely gain AQ status starting with the 2012 season.  The PAC-10 does NOT want the MWC to become an automatic qualifier conference ... They currently rule the west and do not want to share the power; especially considering their current financial struggles ... If they ... bring in BYU, you can forget about AQ for the MWC. The Pac-10's superiority out west would be safe until the next evaluation is done."

That certainly makes sense from a financial perspective where football is American Idol and baseball/softball is The Jay Leno Show.  Several Pac-10 schools have struggled during the recession and this last football season didn't help much, especially in terms of an on-field comparison with the MWC.  

The Pac-10 finished 1-4 in their bowl games and the the MWC was 4-1 with wins over Oregon State (BYU) and Cal (Utah). The estimated payouts to the respective conferences this past season was approximately $22.75 million for the Pac-10 and $21 million to the MWC.  Both conferences have produced exactly one BCS team in each of the past two seasons (2008 - USC, Utah; 2009 - Oregon, TCU).  And since BCS evaluations began in 2008, the MWC is 6-5 against the PAC-10 overall.  In summary, the MWC is making a strong case for AQ status and the Pac-10's concern in this regard is reasonable.

Looking even further into the Pac-10's financial considerations, you have to look at basketball - another area the Pac-10 has dominated in the past. Currently, there are no Pac-10 schools ranked in the Top 25 while the MWC has three: New Mexico, BYU and UNLV.  Collectively, the Pac-10 is 3-4 against the MWC this season and they could potentially send only one team to the NCAA Tournament.

And we haven't even got to some of the reasons Ratto outlined in his recent article advocating an expansion to include BYU and Utah.  His points included:

- They are natural rivals (i.e. USC/UCLAStanford/Cal).
- Both are in geographically desirable locations (on the west side of the Rocky Mountains).
- They are academically compatible with present Pac-10 institutions.
- Both are money generators - especially in comparison to other potential candidates such as Colorado, Nevada or UNLV.

Here's a few more that have been mentioned:

- They have high ethical reputations with the NCAA, especially in terms of recent violations (i.e. USC).
- Both are in as good of financial positions as the other Pac-10 schools, if not much better.
- While BYU doesn't have the status of a "research" university, it does have first-tier law school, ranked higher (41) than Arizona (43), Arizona State (55) and Oregon (77) - and higher than Utah (T-45) and Colorado (T-45). Furthermore, BYU's business school is elite by any standard.

So, with all of these seemingly valid points to contemplate, why is the possibility of BYU joining the Pac-10 so improbable?

1 - Politics.  Brad Rock of the Deseret News put it succinctly:

"There's no way Cal, Stanford, Oregon and UCLA are going to invite a school as conservative as BYU into their conference. They can dress it up with talk about research institutions and market-sharing and Sunday games, but fact is the league from the Left Coast doesn't want conservative BYU, period.  It makes things too complicated."

For additional confirmation look no further than the ongoing Proposition 8 conflict.  This map clearly demonstrates the coast's political tendencies as compared to the supposedly more "conservative" regions of California.  The LDS Church's involvement regarding said issue(s) hasn't gone unnoticed and it could very well factor into any argument for inclusion of the Church's private, Utah-based university.  One former BYU athletics official remarked

"Stanford, Cal-Berkeley and one or two others would absolutely have a heart attack if BYU was admitted into the Pac-10."

It's true, culturally, Berkeley and Provo aren't exactly identical.

2 - Academics.  Contrary to Ratto's comment on the schools being academically compatible, BYU is not regarded as a "research institution," unlike Utah.  Jay Drew of the Salt Lake Tribune took it a couple steps further:

"...though BYU has some of the most stringent admissions requirements in the country -- its average student had a 3.9 grade point average and a 28 ACT score in high school in 2008-09 -- it is not considered to be a top-flight research institution and does not have a medical school. Both factors are reportedly important to the Pac-10, which fancies itself as academically superior to other major conferences in the country.  Utah, on the other hand, is seen as a strong research institution with an outstanding medical school."

Those are solid points as well, but the Pac-10 would have to recognize that over the past decade BYU's undergraduate programs have admitted students with higher grades/test scores than any other time in the school's history.  BYU is on its way to becoming more of a research institution, like it or not.  Part of that can likely be attributed to Ricks College's conversion to BYU-Idaho in 2001.  BYU-Idaho now consists of over 13,000 students - about double what it was ten years ago.  Many of the students that were accepted to the school in Provo before, are now headed to Rexburg instead.

And then there's the point made earlier: BYU does have a 1st-Tier law school and a highly ranked business school. So there are some legitimate arguments to be made on either side of the issue of academic worthiness.  Pac-10 official may simply scoff at some of these arguments however and not consider BYU in the same light as a Utah and Colorado because of their "research" notoriety and medical schools (though Colorado's is 25 miles from its undergraduate campus).

3. Religion.  Some might argue that this is intertwined with the "political" issue.  However, even though Pac-10 officials may feel differently, BYU and the LDS Church see them as separate.  Jay Drew addressed this issue with the aforementioned former BYU athletic official as well:

"It became very clear [in past discussions with the Pac-10] that what we were dealing with was good old-fashioned religious discrimination that was masquerading as academic snobbery," said the source, who wished to remain anonymous because of his continuing relationship with BYU. He said he expects the "climate to be even more divisive now" due to hot-button social issues such as abortion and gay rights that have BYU at odds with the more liberal-leaning Pac-10 schools."

These are, quite discernibly, different concerns than merely whether the Cougars would be permitted to retain their ability to not play on Sundays.  These are issues that may have prevented BYU from joining other conferences in the past and there is no reason to think that will change.  But if the Pac-10 expands with Utah and Colorado, claiming that BYU simply wasn't qualified academically, you'll know that's only partly the truth.

As for the Sunday issue, it is a real stumbling block that would have to be worked out.  It wouldn't be impossible, but it hasn't worked in the past.  BYU has a good relationship with the NCAA and MWC in this regard and there's still no reason to think a more prestigious conference would be as hospitable.

In all likelihood these four elements - money, politics, academics, and religion - all present difficulties for BYU in joining the Pac-10.  That is why despite so many apparent benefits to both school and conference, BYU is likely to be excluded should there be an expansion.  Utah quite possibly, Colorado maybe, but BYU probably not.  That doesn't rule out a potential move to another conference at some point in time for BYU, but that's a different discussion altogether.

And judging by VTF's most recent poll, many Cougar fans are just fine with the current circumstances.

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If the Pac-10 were to expand, what is the main reason Colorado or another university would be included rather than BYU?
Money. The Pac-10 can increase it's revenue by incorporating a different school, like Colorado.
89 votes
Religion. The Pac-10 can't accommodate BYU's code to not play on Sunday.
187 votes
Politics. BYU's reputation as a predominantly conservative school is incompatible with the Pac-10.
221 votes
Academics. BYU doesn't have a medical school and/or isn't perceived as strong scholastically.
33 votes
Other (Leave Comment)
11 votes

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nice work

I think politics will be the reason. Its not right and pac 10 snobs may just try to stick it to byu. The league will make some polite excuse about market since they want Utah and Colorado

by Jeremy Mauss on Feb 12, 2010 7:56 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Probably not going to happen

Good article! I think that we will probably be left out on this one despite all the good things that we could bring to the conference. The sad thing is that I think we’ll get left out of other conferences as well (such as the Big 12). If Colorado goes to the Pac-10, TCU will take their place in the Big 12. Which sadly will leave BYU to win the MWC year after year with weaker competition and no national spot light. I just don’t see it working out to get BYU into one of the large conferences. Hopefully, I’m just being pessimistic.

by markmclean21 on Feb 13, 2010 8:24 AM PST reply actions  

Big XII

Wanted BYU back when the league was forming. Also, BYU brings in more then TCU does, because one BYU could easily replace CU in the north and the market size is possibly the same or even better. The reason is because Salt Lake is a top 35 market plus most of the state follows BYU, and the LDS church members have an interest in BYU which makes their ‘market size’ possibly a top 20 market.

TCU can not bring as many eyes because it is a smaller private school, plus if TCU is brought in would they go to the North division? If not Oklahoma State or possibly Texas Tech could go to the North and I doubt OSU would go and give up their yearly rival with Oklahoma.

by Jeremy Mauss on Feb 13, 2010 1:02 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Honestly...

..the PAC-10 is terribly overrated. If the MWC went pre-emptive, it could be the premiere western confernce of the sports nation.

Adding BSU, Nevada and FSU would go a long way in solidifying not only football(4 perenniel top 25 schools), but also improving basketball as well with Nevada.

Taking the MWC to 12 looks like a better outcome for both Utah, BYU and TCU.

by Smills91 on Feb 13, 2010 1:14 PM PST reply actions  

I think maybe you're taking it a little too personally

The truth is this is about money, money and more money, period. The Pac 10 has a TV deal that needs to be renegotiated soon (expires in 2011). If the Pac 10 decides to expand (a BIG if) the will want to do so in a way that a) expands the Pac 10 geographically, b) gets the Pac 10 into the largest television markets available. The most viable markets west of Texas are Denver (#18), and Salt Lake City (#33). If the Pac 10 does expand it needs to get the Denver market or perhaps something in Texas (4 top 100 markets, 2 in top 10), or it is not going to happen period.

That will leave one slot to fill, which we will probably take from the SLC market the two viable athletic programs as you point out are BYU, and Utah. As you also point out the Pac 10 is not just an athletic association, it also extends to an academic alliance, of like minded institutions, comprised mostly of publicly funded secular research institutions. If the choices are then between an institution that is a state run research university, with a secular philosophy vs. another equally viable athletic program with an educational institution that is a poor match to the traditions and philosophy of the rest of the conference as a whole, which would you choose? The one that is similarly minded or the one that will not agree on most of the cultural heritage of the Pac 10 as a whole?

The question you might ask is: Does BYU want to be a part of the Pac 10? It doesn’t matter because there can be only one from Utah, and they will choose the state school that more closely aligns with their philosophies. Its nothing personal, just a matter of business pure and simple.

Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin

by QuackinAK on Feb 13, 2010 1:21 PM PST reply actions  

Solid points
“Does BYU want to be a part of the Pac 10?”

As long as the school was able to retain its “no Sunday” policy, that’s a definitive yes. Until there are tangible alternatives – such as adding to the MWC as Smills pointed out above (or joining the Big 12 in Colorado’s stead) – BYU would almost certainly want to join the Pac-10.

“It doesn’t matter because there can be only one from Utah…”

Perhaps you could explain your reasoning more here. If you’re saying that the SLC market isn’t worth two teams ask yourself this: is the Utah County market, by itself, smaller than the one in Pullman, WA? Instead, if you’re saying the addition of Denver/Boulder over another Utah school makes too much sense then you’ve got a point. Although I might argue that the following provided by the LDS Church, mentioned above by Jeremy, makes the market involving BYU much more complex and intriguing.

“Its nothing personal, just a matter of business pure and simple.”

When it comes to BYU negotiating with other institutions, particularly one like Cal, business isn’t the only aspect of the equation. You acknowledged a difference in “cultural heritage” and that’s one of the points I’m attempting to make. Sure there are the fiscal consequences to evaluate, but there’s a ton of politics wrapped in this as well. With schools like Utah and Colorado it might be more black and white, but not here.

by sroufe on Feb 13, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

If it's business pure and simple, they would never choose Utah

Utah will not deliver the Salt Lake Media Market, and ESPN and other network execs know that fact.

I honestly hope they do spurn BYU. But if you think the religious and political difference aren’t a large factor, you are fooling yourself.

PAC 10 ADs know BYU would be a better choice from a business standpoint. BYU travels better than most BCS Schools. When BYU played UCLA in the Rose Bowl a few years ago, they had 20,000 fans there. When Utah played at Oregon last year, they brought 500-1000 fans. There is a major difference between the two schools.

BTW, I wish people would stop with all the Sunday play issue talk. It is not the issue that some try to make it out to be. This basketball season alone, the PAC 10 schools have 29 games scheduled on Sundays. Of those 29 games, only 12 are in conf.
The tradtional PAC 10 BBall schedule is Thurs-Saturday. The PAC 10 doesn’t even play their conf tourney on Sunday. The issue is so overblown it is almost comical.

by slaterock on Feb 16, 2010 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

BYU Sunday Play Policy...

I think often times there is a misnomer with respects to BCS leagues, Sunday events and BYU. Sunday play in the PAC-10 or Big-XII isn’t as prevalent as people think, and either league can accommodate BYU with a Sunday free event schedule with more ease than is realized as many have pointed out on other threads. When the MWC was formed back in the late 1990s, the BYU Board of Trustees and Administration insisted that the league be free of Sunday events, which is why many think BYU going to a BCS league like the PAC-10/Big-XII is a virtual never. For some years the MWC has been free of Sunday events, but as of late BYU has not objected to other schools playing Sunday women’s events. So I can only conclude that BYU would be willing to be in a league that hosted Sunday events, but just didn’t involve BYU in them. I think the latter more strict policy came about by one very prominent and insistent member of the BYU Board of Trustees (I refuse to name names here—think for yourselves but please don’t be offensive and spout off the name) who has long worried that BYU and Utah going to BCS leagues would further leave his alma matter, Utah State in the wasteland of lower leagues and financially flirting with the idea of downgrading football to FCS. So an ulterior motive was realized by other trustees I suspect.

by DCMOORE on Mar 5, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

The county by county thing is kind of moot, because Pullman is a small town and most of WSU’s graduates end up going to other areas like Spokane, Yakima, and Seattle, furthermore WSU was admitted to the conference in another era. I think that if they were applying for admission today they don’t get in. But my primary point was and remains that expansion will not happen if there is not a Colorado or other top 20 market in play. There are other factors to consider here, and the decisions being made will hinge on what benefits the current members the most.

With all that said, I do understand about the religious intolerance that LDS folks put up with, and have recently had an experience where a young co-worker ( who is a student at BYU ) was continually disrespected and treated rudely by other co-workers. It was ridiculous, the way they treated that kid, he is a super nice guy and just let it roll off his back, and I have a lot of respect for him because of the way he handled himself despite the prejudice he was subjected to.

But that is neither here nor there and the decision to add any school from Utah will hinge on the other possibilities (or impossibilities out there). Honestly, short of getting Texas I don’t think it’s going to happen. Why split a pot 12 ways when we’ve been splitting it 10 ways for 30 years? This is capitalism, and parties will act in there own self interest, and unfortunately with respect to the Utah schools, the Pac 10 hold all the power in this equation. Actually the other market is probably the one holding the power (Colorado or especially Texas). Maybe the real question is does the Pac 10 want to sell it’s soul to get Texas? Because they will need a real sweetheart deal to lure them away.

Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin

by QuackinAK on Feb 13, 2010 7:11 PM PST reply actions  

DOH

reply fail.

Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin

by QuackinAK on Feb 13, 2010 7:11 PM PST up reply actions  

No worries

And terrific points once again. Allow me to address them:

“The county by county thing is kind of moot…”

You’re right. On it’s face that was a flawed argument. But when you consider the overall market that follows BYU – like Jeremy also mentioned earlier – BYU’s market is much greater than just Utah County and the rest of the state. I’m not saying BYU is a top 20 market, I just think the school’s ability to draw exceptional tv audiences and travel well will be considered by the Pac-10.

“Why split a pot 12 ways…?”

You’re right, when you look at it that way it doesn’t make sense unless you can somehow bring in something you know will only increase the shared revenue of the conference. And that’s a very hard thing to do – especially in the west where these large schools are so scarce.

“…does the Pac 10 want to sell it’s soul…?”

I don’t think so but I guess we’ll see what happens. Thanks for your input and perspective…

by sroufe on Feb 13, 2010 8:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Texas isn't going to the PAC 10.

I will be surprised if they go anywhere. Because they need approval from their state’s governement, and because it would harm other state schools in the process, I will be surprised if Texas goes anywhere.

BTW, BYU is its own top 20 media market. The Salt Lake Market is currently ranked #31. When you couple that with church membership throughout the West and the nation, the number of households quickly rises up to the 1.5-1.7 million range. That would put them in the 15-19 rank of the largest media markets, and ESPN knows that fact.

by slaterock on Feb 16, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Washington State...

…was admitted to the PAC-8 in 1962 (keep in mind Oregon and Oregon State didn’t go in until 1964 formally) due to legislative action by the Washington Legislature that officially tied league affiliation with the University of Washington, since they didn’t want to see them get tossed out like they did Montana in 1952 and Idaho in 1959. I’m certain there are numerous Utah State fans that wish Utah’s legislature would have done something similar at the same time binding Utah State to Utah and BYU.

by DCMOORE on Mar 5, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

With all that said

From a purely athletic, rivalry, geographic standpoint, it should be Utah, and BYU, but the guys who make the big bucks to analyze this stuff won’t see it that way.

Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin

by QuackinAK on Feb 13, 2010 7:27 PM PST reply actions  

My take on PAC 10 expansion

is covered here. Why does everyone forget to mention the guy who talked about this a week before official news broke :/

I linked to my own 2008 opinions stating BYU and Utah were the best fit. The reasons that will be given when they are asked why not BYU are:

1) Academic Standards
2) Unwillingness to participate in the leagues existing schedule formats, due to Sunday games.

Politics would be a large part of the decision. While BYU calls religious descrimination for failing to respect their religious calling to reserve Sunday for God, the liberal northern California PAC 10 schools would call the refusing of athletes unwilling to comply with your honor code religious descrimination.

I really think this is simply a bad fit, and any BYU fan that respects the faith tied to your institution, should consider if they really want to be tied to the ideologies that are entrenched in the PAC 10 power structure.

Besides … if it is Utah and Colorado, who would the BIG 12 get to replace Colorado in the North? Even if the Big 12 loses Missouri to the BIg 10 BYU would be high on the list.

Utah in the PAC 10 and BYU in the Big 12, with the Holy War maintained is not a bad scenario.

Imagine the day we meet undefeated and on our way to our respective conference championship games? Our rivalry game could eazily be bigger than either championship game that year.

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by utesfan100 on Feb 13, 2010 8:19 PM PST reply actions  

Glorious
“Utah in the PAC 10 and BYU in the Big 12, with the Holy War maintained is not a bad scenario.”

Just glorious…;)

by sroufe on Feb 13, 2010 8:23 PM PST up reply actions  

And I actually had read your piece

from 1/27, I just didn’t use it in my post for whatever reason. So, props to you sir!

by sroufe on Feb 13, 2010 8:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Follow the money

If BYU delivered a top-20 TV market, its religious precepts could include human sacrifice and it would still be a welcome addition to the Pac-10. I think religious discrimination is the least likely factor of those listed here. Expansion of the Pac-10 is all about increasing the value of the Pac-10’s TV contracts. BYU is certainly competitive on the field, but I don’t see any equation including BYU in which the split of the TV revenues increases for all members of the conference.

I’m personally against expansion because I prefer the current round robin format to splitting into two divisions and playing a championship game.

by Hank Hosfield on Feb 14, 2010 10:22 AM PST reply actions  

Don't follow the money

A few years ago I worked in a position with the Las Vegas Bowl where I was privy to some of the information about whom they selected, as you may know the contract for that bowl gives them the ability to chose whatever MWC team they desire and ESPN is the most powerful force as far as the selection comitee is concerned.
One thing that I took away from that is this, ESPN is more mindful of TV ratings, than TV market and in that respect I think BYU is very likely a top 20 college sports TV rating commodity based on my impression from the bowl selection process.
When I see expansion articles comparing tv market x vs. tv market x, I think they are missing the most important measure, ad revenue is based on ratings!
In the comparison of BYU vs Utah, TV + gate revenue I can tell you that from ESPN and the LV bowl’s perspective it isn’t even close, it is BYU in a landslide.
One thing that I think is lost in the analysis is that BYU has 3 institutions in the western U.S. with a total enrollment of probably 45K students, the vast majority of which are out-of-state students, who tend to return to their home state and who also tend to be much more mobile in their careers so trying to relate BYU TV ratings to the SLC TV market is not a good or complete analytic.
Utah’s enrollment is mainly local and is the typical “comuter” school, so the SLC market comparison is much more relevant in that case.
I have attended several BYU football / basketball games in PAC-10 venues over the last 25 years and a consistent remark is how well the BYU fans “travel”, the truth is, most don’t, they just have a built in fan base in most of the western U.S. as a result of BYU’s unique association to the LDS religion and the way its alumni act in respect to mobility.
The value of that gate revenue is tremendous in any analysis for conference expansion and yet it tends to receive only passing note in most expansion analysis articles.
In the end however, I tend to agree with the conclusion of this article, there are non-monetary stumbling blocks that may just be to big to get over for the PAC-10 to be able to unanimously include BYU.
I do believe that when the full analysis is complete the $$ associated to adding BYU will be significantly higher than what a Utah or like university brings to the table as far as total revenue is concerned, but to some of the PAC-10 schools, money is not everything and they would knowingly turn away millions. I would like to be a fly on the wall of those meetings as I would imagine the BYU discussion would be very entertaining to listen to.

by DSRB on Feb 16, 2010 10:18 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Very good points and dead on accurate.

IMO, the PAC 10 will give up money before they accept BYU even though many of the PAC 10 schools already compete in an athletic conf with BYU in men’s volleyball.

by slaterock on Feb 16, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Salt Lake City Market Share, $$$, BYU, Utah & the PAC-10

What many people fail to realize is how much the Salt Lake City TV market has grown over the past 25 years. I remember back in the 1980s, it was only #42, but now it as moved up to #31 and has moved significantly ahead of several markets accommodating multiple BCS institutions. Right now in the footprint of both the PAC-10 and Big-XII conferences, Salt Lake City represents the largest untapped TV market for the taking. The Census projections indicate this growth will continue for the Wasatch Front, and the TV market ranking will continue to surge ahead. I’ve read too many posts about Utah not being a large enough state for two BCS schools, but if the PAC-10 successfully poached Colorado from the Big-XII they risk not getting the full effect of the Salt Lake City market could give them if the Big-XII countered by taking BYU. What the PAC-10 would gain in taking the #16 market in Denver would be lost. All said Colorado, Utah and BYU all have huge alumni chapters throughout California and as a whole represents the largest out of state alumni for all three schools.

by DCMOORE on Feb 21, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

You may want to check your numbers.

BYU would deliver a top 20 media market number of households. You want to see read my post above where I break down the numbers.

by slaterock on Feb 16, 2010 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Stop this nonsense - just fix the BCS

The only reason this is even being talked about is the stupid BCS. Just make a playoff. If BYU or the Pac-10 teams are good enough -they’ll win in a playoff. If not, they won’t. The Pac-10 is fine just the way it is. So is the MWC. Both have good and bad teams – both have good conference rivalries – both fare well outside their own conferences. None of that is broken. Fix the problem – the BCS!

by Barton Brierley on Feb 19, 2010 6:14 PM PST reply actions  

The BYU Board of Trustees...

…will be the most interesting equation in all this. Keep in mind BYU is governed by a Board of Trustees who make the decision as to change athletic conferences. I’m told there is at least one prominent BYU Board of Trustees member who is adamantly opposed to BYU joining any BCS league. While one can get overruled by the rest, it will be interesting to see how this is played out at the offices at 47 East South Temple. If BYU doesn’t join a BCS league it will be due to it being shot down at that level.

by DCMOORE on Feb 21, 2010 11:02 AM PST reply actions  

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