Open GameThread: MWC Tourney Semis - UNLV vs. BYU
by sroufe on Mar 12, 2010 1:30 PM PST
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UNLV Runnin Rebels at BYU Cougars, Mar 12, 2010 8:35 PM PST
Fredette tops 40 again as BYU advances - BYU Athletics
Rose a finalist for Skip Prosser award - BYU Athletics
BYU must shoot better tonight than the last time they played UNLV. In their 88-74 loss, the Cougars shot 38% overall - but the starters were a dismal 29%. Part of that can be attributed to forcing lots of perimeter jumpers in an attempt to catch up to the Rebels' hot start. Obviously, BYU can get away with a mediocre first half against a team like TCU, but not UNLV.
Another note in review of the Cougars' loss to the Rebels is how Tyler Haws had a below-average performance offensively that game but may not play tonight. From Greg Wrubell:
"Tyler Haws (eye) was visiting a local doctor this afternoon and did not participate in the team's shoot-around at Cox Pavilion. Word is the eye was still very swollen today. Haws' status for tonight would have to be considered questionable at best; if he can't play, it's likely Mike Loyd would take Haws' place in the starting lineup."
If that's the case, here's how the starting match-ups will likely look tonight:
Fredette - Anthony Marshall
Emery - Tre'Von Willis
Loyd - Oscar Bellfield
Hartsock - Chase Stanback
Miles - Brice Massamba
You also figure Abouo's minutes will increase due to Haws' absence - which is a good thing because of 1) they way Charles has been terrific offensively over the past few weeks, and 2) Abouo's athleticism is much needed against the Rebels and a nice counter to Matt Shaw off of Lon Kruger's bench.
Kruger has substituted Marshall into his starting lineup in place of Kendall Wallace and the freshman responded last night with 13 points, 12 rebounds and 5 assists against the Utes. Just another weapon the Cougars, and likely Fredette (since Emery will probably guard Willis again), will have to account for tonight. It should be a thriller...
GO COUGARS!!!
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Lunardi (ESPN)'s Bracketology Update
He know has the Cougars as a 6 seed in the East Region (vs. Wake Forest). Yikes…we really need this game tonight to make a strong case for a 4 seed and/or getting into the West Region.
How did that happen?
Wondering if some of the upsets in the Big East (and elsewhere) have pushed some higher seeds back, pushing BYU back. They now have to win to have any shot of at least a 5 seed. Having said that, reading Wrubell’s site this morning, over the last decade, the 6-seed has been more successful in advancing past the first round than the 5-seed.
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It obviously depends on
who we’re playing as a 5 or 6 seed. Glockner’s (CNNSI) bracket, before last night’s win, has BYU as a 5 seed against Georgia Tech in San Jose…
I really, really, really don’t want to play the Yellow Jackets. That’s exactly the type of 5-12 upset waiting to happen. BYU wouldn’t get a single rebound with Lawal and Favors in the paint.
shifting
is happening all over the place. top teams have been dropping like flies, giving these mid-pack teams chances to make a case to move up their seeding positions, such as notre dame. obviously this hurts byu who is always overlooked, especially with the tourney games on the worst sports networks (the mtn., cbssports, and versus). good luck finding them! i know i have to stream the game online tonight.
so as i see it, the only chance byu has is to win this tournament, otherwise, the seeding committee will let them slip to a 6 seed. A LOT on the line tonight
haws
has the tendency to disappear at times. so far the two games against unlv he had the following statlines:
12 pts 6 reb 3 assists 2 steals
5 pts 3 reb 0 assists 0 steals
his poor road performance there was rough to watch. but so was everyone else’s. i guess this is a net loss to not have haws. BUT i have great confidence in what abouo and loyd bring.
where we most need Abouo is on the boatfs
He is as scrappy and tough when it comes down to get the rebounds. Like Emery he’s very aggressive and fights like a dog for each one. If we plan on winning we have to outrebound them.
by vaughnzipper on Mar 12, 2010 6:33 PM PST via mobile reply actions
new mexico and sdsu
are in a battle right now! i am all for sdsu wearing them out, but i want the lobos in the finals
Absolutely
The Aztecs need to run them up and down the court until the end, and the Lobos need to pull it out. That would help BYU’s SOS immensely. Of course, they still have to get by the Runnin’ Rebels tonight. So very nervous…
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i am completely going crazy
waiting for this game. i admittedly put too much into sports but when your team finally comes through it is worth it (i hope, none of mine have won anything since 1995 braves)
but this byu team has me nervous, but HOPEFUL. i think we got it but hearing the noise of the rebel fans is going to piss me off all game long! i hope fredette can shut them up early!
1995
was that the year the pinch-hitter came in and lined one down the 3rd base line?
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That Braves team
had the greatest rotation in the history of baseball: Maddux, Glavine and Smoltz—all in their young prime.
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braves
pitching was dominant! it was in ’95, but imo the best baseball moment of all time was sid bream sliding in barely ahead of the barry bonds throw to beat the pirates in the nlcs!
Old Spice commercials are easily the best commercials on TV right now
“Did you know I’m riding a horse…backward”
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Hallo ladies,
Look at your man,
now back to me,
now back at your man,
now back to me,
sadly he isnt me,
but if he stopped using lady sented bodywash
he could smell like he is me.
look down, back up.
where are you?
you are on a boat, with the man your man could smell like.
whats that in your hand,
back at me, I have it,
its an oyster with two tickets to that thing you love,
now look again, the tickets are now diamond.
eveything is possible when you man smell like old spice and not a lady.
im on a horse
Oh wow...it's SDSU's game to lose now. what a game!
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looks like they got it!
despite the disfunctional shot clock buzzer. hopefully it doesnt become an issue in our game!
but congrats to sdsu! way to play themselves into the big dance!
good for the Aztecs after getting denied a ticket to the dance last year
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glad to see Davies starting. Haws' eye looks awful
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Both teams will cool off but it is crazy
They put up 56 against us in the 1st half last time – but only 32 in the 2nd
I hate to bring it up now but...
seriously, how unfair is this? just garbage it’s on their home court. If they want it in Vegas, cool. But have it in The Orleans Arena or something
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i’m so glad loyd exploded agianst new mex so he could come out big in these types of games and get the time he needs
by larry_funderburke on Mar 12, 2010 9:11 PM PST reply actions
these announcers are idiots
the guy just said Fredette was abysmal from the line and still scored 45. cuz 23-24 is abysmal
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how is that charging
when the guy’s standing beneath the hoop. college needs the nba circle
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It was said earlier: boards
UNLV getting easy shots, and draining from the outside. The good news is BYU is hanging close this time and just needs to put a run together. They’ve had uncharacteristic turnovers tonight and haven’t shot as well as they usually do. They need to find their form and they’ll be fine.
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Same as last night
1) attack the rim with Jimmer, Loyd and co. – don’t settle for three’s and get lots of FT’s
2) don’t turn the ball over
3) get back in transition – no easy buckets
Teams generally shoot worse from the perimeter in the second half and UNLV is no exception. Also, BYU doesn’t have anybody in foul trouble (i.e. Davies – 0 fouls) so that’s good. I think we’re in good position here. Just have to play smart and they’ll let us come back. There’s a reason we’ve only lost 4 games this season.
I have the gamecast up now...
Long Beach St. is okay – no better than the bottom tier MWC. UOP should win but have a hard time with UC Santa Barbara tomorrow. Can’t say I’ve followed them much this season. Only have time for one team;)
Speaking of UC Santa Barbara
they beat UC Davis today who has a terrific player from about 5 minutes away from my house. He had 20 points today in the Aggies’ loss…
a fade away three is never a good shot unless your lebron or jordan...not emery
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We have 28 wins
and can score like crazy. There is too much time left and UNLV isn’t fully in control bro
they're the best shooting team in the world when they play byu
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LOL...
too bad this game isn’t funny. It’s not looking good at all
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Lots of time, but need some stops over these next possessions
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JIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMR
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watching mighty ducks on netflix during commercials
classic. emilio.
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Announcers:
“what dave rose is telling his team is that they need to do a really good job defensively”
Hmmm…you think?
greatest defender of all time
his only real foe is chuck norris
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Boo! Change the venue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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sroufe
we say that every time UNLV thumps byu. 8 IN A ROW.
has dave rose won a big game in his career?
the answer to that would be yes...
he won three straight conference championships.
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big game:
anything besides regular season. losing a bunch of first round evenly matched games would say otherwise
Texas A&M was just the better
team the past two seasons and Cummard simply wasn’t a guy you could rely on to score in the clutch. Rose inherited a team that won 9 games the season prior and has had nothing but 20+ win seasons since and has won or at least competed for conference championships. Not much you can ask for in my opinion. BYU isn’t exactly the best school for recruiting outside of Utah and Idaho.
About UNLV's streak
It’s not like they’re Air Force. They’ve had some terrific teams these past few seasons and there’s a reason Lon Kruger has coached in the NBA.
As for tonight, hard to put the blame on Rose. He made the necessary switch to Davies. He made the right defensive adjustments (i.e. zone alterations in the 2nd half). He lost his 3rd leading scorer and one of the most efficient offensive players in the country – the night before. His team forced more turnovers than they lost. His team made their free throws.
In summary, Dave Rose is an excellent coach. UNLV is a tourney-worthy team and any team worthy of the NCAA tournament and fighting to verify such is going to be a very, very hard out — especially on their home floor.
dave rose
has proven to be an excellent coach when he faces good to mediocre talent. when byu faces equal talent (excellent teams) they rarely win. BYU can be summed up in a simple way. DEMOLISH bad teams but cant hold their own against excellent teams. even when they are excellent too.
losing 8 in a row because the coach was once in the nba is not a good reason. if rose was a great coach himself in big moments, i could see 3-5 being more reasonable.
The MWC
is doing itself a disservice by having the tournament in Vegas. At a neutral site the Cougars would now be a 4 seed and the Lobos possibly a 2 seed.
Seriously, why isn't Orrin Hatch all over the MWC and UNLV for unfairnnes
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of course it sucks
but sooner or later BYU has to suck it up and win there. to take the lead with 2 minutes left and then put the ball into the hands of two guys who just made their way into the starting lineup isnt smart by rose.
a missed free throw from davies and a forced shot by loyd to basically end our chances. the ball needs to go to jimmer and jt, no exceptions.
ridiculous
noah 1-4 fg with 2 points.
davies 1-3 with 3 points
they each had 6 rebounds but im not sure if they played good D. Massamba had 13 points (which i think the announcers said was a career high.)
so dave rose answer me this: if these guys arent bringing offense to the table tonight, why not put in miles who is you supposed defensive stopper?
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