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Everything that is happening in the MWC right now is a result of one bone-headed and selfish decision by Craig Thompson to proceed with the exclusive MTN Network, before all that rights and privileges were put into place.  The fact of the matter is that by orchestrating that deal Thompson pockets a good chunk of change annually in his personal bank account.  That is why there is no adjustment to the agreement!  That is why Utah left!  That is why BYU wants out!

If the MWC had the exposure it deserves on ESPN and its affiliates, we would not be in this mess and would closer to a BCS AQ spot.  But Utah left seeking more revenue from TV contracts and better exposure for recruiting along with an AQ BCS bid.  Thompson helped cover Utah's exit by bringing in Boise St.  Their stats still help the MWC toward getting the BCS bid in 2012.  However, that did not solve the TV problem.

BYU deserves more revenue than any team in the MWC.  Next in line should be TCU.  Everyone else is an also-ran who deserves the scraps off the table until they can prove they are worth more.  BYU is sitting on a goldmine in its television capabilities but is handcuffed the the MWC agreement with The MTN.  So what does BYU do?  Threaten to go independent.  Once again Thompson acts in "the best interest of the conference" and brings in Fresno State and Nevada.  Sure that may have kept BYU from going to the WAC, but it won't keep them in the MWC.  BYU wants to go to a BCS bowl.  By bringing in Fresno St and Nevada Thompson killed the stats that favored the MWC for an AQ bid in 2012. 

Conclusion?  BYU has been thinking about this for a long time!  In the words of LaVell Edwards:

"I don't know what's going on yet. One thing I do know — they're not a bunch of dummies up there (at BYU). I'm sure they've done their due diligence in whatever they decide."

BYU is still gone from the Mountain West Conference.

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I have a feeling they're still going to go as well

Losing Fresno St and Nevada threw a monkey wrench in their plans but they still have until Sep 1st to figure something else out. In the end they’re gone. And I don’t blame them.

Don't trust this guy. He lies.

by urnext on Aug 20, 2010 3:01 PM PDT reply actions  

like it and agree that we are gone

I do feel bad for USU. Also, Hawaii is REALLY screwed when you think about it. But, as they say, this is a business decision. That being said, I don’t know if BYU has “burned any bridges” here. Everyone is going to act in their own best interests and that is the beauty of free market capitalism.

There is no “bail-out” awaiting the WAC, the MWC, or any of the members of these conferences. It behooves all of them to position themselves so that they are poised to take advantage of upcoming opportunities.

by kiyoshige on Aug 20, 2010 3:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Laugh

This made me do it:

BYU deserves more revenue than any team in the MWC

.

I hate everyone equally...especially Vandals!

by BSUFlyboy on Aug 20, 2010 4:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Texas

set a precedent for BYU by forcing the Big 12’s hand. The Longhorns basically received a 1/4 share of their conference’s revenue as part of their agreement to stay put. The Cougars have to be looking for something similar if Thompson and the MWC are hoping for BYU to stay. With the addition of Houston, the a MWC with two 6-team divisions isn’t a terrible option at all - assuming BYU is able to get the extra dough making the extra football revenue sharing worth it.

So, I think the possibility of BYU staying in a larger MWC still exists, they aren’t gone yet. But the idea of football independence and WCC basketball is very, very intriguing to me.

by sroufe on Aug 20, 2010 5:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Craig Thompson . . .

 . . .pockets, personally, 5 million annually? That goes into his bank account?

That’s a specious and frankly ridiculous accusation.

BYU has made zero BCS trips since the Mtn West was formed, and they deserve more than anyone else because Utah put the MWC on the map with their two wins? So because people consider the Mtn West tough after Utah’s wins, BYU should get more? TCU did more than Utah with their loss last year? That’s ridiculous. You guys just scream this “we’re numbver 1” crap without thinking it through. Geez you guys are so sensitive and so irrational about your team.

I support BYU leaving, I think they can do well as an independent, it’s a tough road, but BYU has wanted a better shot at the limelight for decades, let them take it. I wish them luck, I really do, you’ve had a greta program for 3 solid decades, you deserve some notice; but you guys need to be at least a little reasonable in your thinking. Accusing a guy of lifting 5 million annually is irresponsible.

by Aardvark on Aug 20, 2010 7:03 PM PDT reply actions  

I suspect he didn't mention Utah because he's considering them as part of the PAC-10 for all intents and purposes.

Also, the amount of money a program is worth in revenue is only partially about success on the field.

by holly96 on Aug 21, 2010 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kudos

Agree with you here…

I hate everyone equally...especially Vandals!

by BSUFlyboy on Aug 20, 2010 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

BYU is right there with Fresno?

Fresno has finished in the top 25 one time in the last 10 years, while BYU has finished the the top 25 each time for the last 4 years. Give me a break! You really think BYU is the same as Fresno? Way to show off your ignorance.

Don't trust this guy. He lies.

by urnext on Aug 21, 2010 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, equating BYU with Fresno is pretty laughable.

Plus, a program’s worth is about more than wins and losses.

by holly96 on Aug 21, 2010 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why BYU deserves more...

First of all any comments about Utah deserving money are irrelevant since they are leaving the MWC. They are further made irrelevant by the fact that before 2004 Utah was irrelevant. And if that isn’t enough, Utah doesn’t have near the fan base or support that BYU does to deserve a larger piece of the pie. The only bowl games Utah fans have traveled to are the two BCS bowls. BYU sells out every bowl game it goes to.

BYU gets more than TCU right now because BYU built the MWC. They are the ones who spearheaded the move from the WAC and they are the ones who have carried the MWC year in and year out since the MWC inception.

The best segment on this was on Fox Sports radio yesterday. I wish I could find the sound clip, but it was a very unbiased opinion, proved time and again by the accurate, but negative comments about BYU, and they agreed!

by Staffieri on Aug 20, 2010 8:25 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

tv ratings are key too

and Utah and BYU have fared equal in tv ratings in non-BCS bowl games, and tv ratings are what BYU needs to make themselves more marketable for more money. The travel to bowl games is a bit different when the Vegas bowl is a short and cheap flight or a manageable 6 or 7 hour car drive from Salt Lake and even shorter from Southern California.

Mountain West Connection The best site for MWC sports!

by Jeremy Mauss on Aug 20, 2010 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Plus . . .

BYU is just darn prettier and more importanter, and Utes are poopy heads.

I think that’s what you meant to say.

by Aardvark on Aug 21, 2010 3:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Of course

BYU sells out their bow games every year. It’s pretty easy when you can buy tickets at the start of the season. You know they are going to end up at Vegas.

By the way I like that you say that Utah was irrelevant before 2004, because that makes BYU look worse than before. Utah has outgrown BYU’s “tradition” in only 6 years. I’m sure glad you pointed that one out to everyone.

BYU may have helped build the MWC, but TCU has done more than BYU already in helping the conference toward an AQ Bid. Amazing isn’t it…

GO UTES!!

by Jman87 on Aug 28, 2010 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bowl Travel

Jeremy, valid point. However, I recall a conversation I had with an educated and die hard Ute fan (educated in terms of history, numbers, data, etc) and he told me that the stats were miserable for Utah in terms of Bowl attendance, something like less than 13,000 tickets sold from Utah’s allotment on average, except for the BCS games. Now there were probably Ute fans who bought tickets through another medium, but that is still a really low number and they have played in close proximity to Utah as well.

As a side note to all…
I am going to make strong opinions on one side or the other of a topic, because I want there to be great dialogue in the comments. I have no problem admitting when I am wrong and we may end up with disagreements in the end, but I want to hear good constructive comments. Much like the ones that have been given here so far.

PS: First admittance of guilt…$5 Million may be off. I was quoted at a couple, case in point if Thompson were not getting a HUGE benefit from having the mtn. then he would work a TV deal with BYU to either let them use their own stuff or broadcast all MWC games on BYU TV in HD.

I see two possibilities with Thompson 1) He is too proud to admit he screwed the conference in terms of exposure or 2) He is getting enough monetary compensation out of the deal that he won’t change it.

by Staffieri on Aug 20, 2010 9:17 PM PDT reply actions  

You should drop

The whole Craig Thompson is pocketing money thing—it’s liable.

It’s also frankly beneath anyone who pretenses to believing in an honor code mate, or should be self evidently so.

by Aardvark on Aug 21, 2010 3:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thomps Fan?

So are you telling me that you just flat out agree with Thompson’s working of The mtn deal? And you continue to agree that it is a good thing for the conference?

by Staffieri on Aug 21, 2010 7:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fan?

Not so much as you are being an infant pal.

I am saying you are slandering a person by calling them a thief. Look it up.

This is why no one takes BYU footbally seriously, it’s fans always go into dramatic hyperbole. You guys are drama queens, if you don’t like a game or a fact you scream you were cheated, you throw a temper tantrum, if you win you claim god was in it, you have an anormous chip on your shoulders, it’s in all your smarmy, snotty dialogue mate.

Grow up: if it’s about economics, as you seem to agree, then make an economic and rational decision of your own, not an emotional and childish name calling one my boy. And if it is about economics? Then the schools can fire Thompson if they don’t like him, but saying he is pilfering 5 million annually is irresponsible. So, think about these terms: irresponsible, irrational, infantile . . .see a trend here?

I have and do support BYU becoming independent, I think they (unlike most others) have the resources and work ethic to pull it off. But LDS ethic dictates you don’t point fingers and whine, rather you make your decision based on what is right and let the chips fall where they may, you will be accountabnle for your choice.

Your baseless charges are childish and unseemly.

Get a grip mate.

by Aardvark on Aug 21, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I wish people would stop making generalizations about BYU fans.

I’m pretty sure I’m not a drama queen, can only remember very rare occasions when I thought BYU got cheated (probably no different than any other sports fan), have never thrown a temper tantrum, and have never claimed god helped us win.

I could easily make generalizations about other schools’ fans (not referring to any particular school, just saying in general) based on interactions I’ve had, particularly online (where anonymity brings out the worst in everyone). But I know that painting any group with a large brush is never accurate.

by holly96 on Aug 21, 2010 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well . . .

I lived in Utah for 30 years, and I am LDS. I rarely see fans from other teams go off about the conspiracy against them, in fact I’ve never heard anyhting close ot what BYU fans do unless it is Alabama fans and the NCAA.

Heh.

As for saying it was god? Oh yeah baby, I’ve heard more than one game of the Y’s called a miracle with deadpan seriousness.

by Aardvark on Aug 21, 2010 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I truly think there might be a difference between BYU fans in Utah

and BYU fans outside Utah. I only ever lived in Utah while attending BYU. And I’ve never had the impression you have when it comes to any of the other BYU fans I know, whether growing up in Colorado or the past 10 years living in California.

I kind of think the intensity of the BYU/Utah rivalry inside Utah makes everyone a little nutty.

by holly96 on Aug 21, 2010 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, I don't agree with Staffieri about Thompson getting some kickback.

I just think it was a crappy tv deal and he made a big mistake there.

by holly96 on Aug 21, 2010 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right

But the overly dramatic hyperbole by staffieri is unacceptly childish and irresponsible. It is right in liine with the obvious pouting and anger shown by Y fans across the nation regarding Utah going to the PAC-10.

BYU fans tend toward serious drama, no not every single one of them, just more than the average school and I live in FSU and SEC country where football is extremely serious.

BYU fans really shold try to become much better sports than the other guys becaus ethe national image of our church and flagship school is poor when BYU sports fans are discussed.

by Aardvark on Aug 21, 2010 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think your last sentence is part of the impression problem.

I think people are hyperaware of how BYU fans act because of the connection to the church, and they’re always looking for something to point at because of it. I think if that wasn’t a factor, a lot of people wouldn’t have quite the same negative impression. It’s like people expect BYU fans to be far better than the average sports fan, when I don’t think that expectation is entirely fair.

Now I realize you said you’re LDS, so you wouldn’t have that same motivation. But still think to some degree people see what they want to see.

Are there some BYU fans that act poorly? I’m sure there are. Every fan base has them, and it would be irrational to assume BYU has any less of them than everyone else. But I truly don’t believe that BYU fans as a whole are what you say they are.

I don’t know, maybe I just have never met these kinds of BYU fans. Or maybe the ones I do know act that way at times when I haven’t been around. But I’m being completely honest when I say that to my knowledge I don’t know any BYU fans that would act that negatively. And I have one friend who is a total nut about BYU. Like, above and beyond anyone I’ve ever met. Maybe I’m delusional or blind though. Who knows.

by holly96 on Aug 21, 2010 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well . . .

But you’re reading that kind of fan’s crap right now, so yes, you have seen it. There’s no question BYU was stung and angry when Utah gotpicked to the PAC-10, my point was: you have ot make your own choices, not whimne about everyone else.

From what I see and have read, Boise State and BYU fans are tops in the “us versus them” mentality and we can’t excuse staffieri’s behavior one bit. You don’t get to make assertions of this magnitude and remain as a serious commentator.

by Aardvark on Aug 23, 2010 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well said Staffieri

Good points!
BYU deserves more because they can get more! If we went by records like so many commentators have been saying then we should say BSU deserves more revenue last year than ND or Florida or Texas. The fact is revenue is not based on what you do; it is based on what you potentially could bring in. Every team at the beginning of the season can potentially bring in bowl money, but only a few teams can guarantee money (such as through TV deals). BYU is one of those teams. They are guaranteed to bring in big money via TV audience and game attendance. They have a huge following, people want to see BYU play, and hence ESPN and likes want to show these games.
 Fresno St, UNLV, TCU, Wyoming, and every other team in the MWC not so much. Yes that includes Utah. Utah is a great team and they have a great fan base. They love their football. But they don’t compare at all when it comes to the size of fan base. In the state of Utah it may be equal, but I live on the East coast and you can find 50 BYU fans to every 1 Utah fan. BYU has a national fan base. This isn’t because BYU is better, rather BYU attracts a lot of LDS members who really love BYU because it is an LDS school.

by BYU7 on Aug 21, 2010 8:31 AM PDT reply actions  

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