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I went to BYU just like most of the readers of this blog did. Chances are if you are reading this you love BYU as much as I do and you take it to heart when someone besmirches the name of the institution you care about so much. I know that Dead Spin isn't an actual news outlet, but they do a good job at making me laugh at some of the foibles associated with the world of sports. The hatchet job they allowed on their website about race, BYU sports, and the Honor Code was so unbalanced, poorly researched, and ignorant I had to write something about it. http://deadspin.com/#!5791461?comment=38346747:38346747

I didn't play intercollegiate sports at BYU, my athletics were limited to the intramural variety. My freshman year I lived in the same building as a few of the athletes, and as I moved away from BYU I have made friends with a few guys who played for BYU at one time or another. I am not so naive to think that people don't break the Honor Code. I was by no means perfect in that regard. The author's suggestion that race had anything to do with the dismissal of players from BYU is completely and totally wrong. The players who were dismissed or left the program  did it because they broke the rules. Rules that were posted throughout the school. I wasn't the only one who saw the big posters in the Wilk, signed the honor code, and received an ecclesiastical endorsement. 

I was as bummed as anyone when Brandon Davies was suspended from the BYU Basketball team. He made a mistake and there were consequences. However they were personal and it was unfortunate that he had to have his private life made public, something he didn't sign up for. But he knew what the Honor Code was, and that comes first, even before extended March Madness runs.

I can say for certain that not every non married Mormon was having sex, that BYU is not Nazi like, I never encountered a secret army of honor code informants and that the reason anyone is dismissed from school is because of what they did, and not who they are.

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That article was full of misinformation and skewed facts. They compared the percent of minority athletes kicked out to the percent of minorities at the school, which isn’t a fair comparison. A fair comparison would compare percent of minorities kicked out to percent of minority athletes. Most of the white athletes are Mormon (although that doesn’t make them perfect by any means) and the minorities are more likely to be non-LDS. So more likely to break the HC.

It pains me to see our school shined in such a negative light when, in fact, that’s not the case.

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by sabbi on Apr 13, 2011 6:02 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Yeah, controlling for LDS vs. non-LDS would be much more illuminating.

I’ve also heard (from a fairly credible source, apparently), that some of the quotes used are from years old Facebook posts, and that not all of the athletes quoted were actually talked to. Also notice how none of the non-LDS black athletes who had good experiences were interviewed (guys like Brian Logan, etc.).

by holly96 on Apr 13, 2011 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, facebook posts?

That’s like National Inquirer reporting. You can always skew things to make it say anything. It would be much more believable if they showed the other side of the spectrum too. But it’s all bashing.

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by sabbi on Apr 13, 2011 6:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Agreed on the National Inquirer-type read

They keep referencing their “study”, but the only person they tried to talk to was Bronco Mendenhall? It’s all very one-sided and poorly researched. Also, do these athletes not read the honor code when they sign their applications? That was one of the more prominent questions.

by bluenm on Apr 14, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

All those guys are from the Crowton years.

And he didn’t put as much emphasis on the HC as Bronco does.

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by sabbi on Apr 14, 2011 4:19 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

People think an HC violation = 1 and done

Too many people fail to recognize that the HC has education and reconciliation built in. While they reserve the right at anytime to alter the procedure based on the situation, the process is pretty clear and gives every student the right to refute allegations. Those that get caught and get kicked out probably didn’t pursue their means of rebuttal because they knew they messed up and would rather leave than stick around.

Sure, that’ll hurt at first, but in the end I’m sure most of those guys are glad they left when they did. It’s hard to live the LDS life being LDS. It’s even harder living the BYU life and trying to do it as a student athlete whose core belief is not rooted in the same faith as the institution.

Here’s a link to the Honor Code Office procedural guidelines. Hopefully we can use it to help educate people about the process so that they see it’s well beyond race and really comes down to the well being of each individual.

http://Jimmer.it/dBmr1D

by jgifford78 on Apr 14, 2011 5:18 PM PDT reply actions  

I can understand both sides

As an LDS Ute fan living in the south, I have a little different perspective on it all.

I have had a number of conversations from a fellow ward member who was an LDS athlete (not football or basketball) from here who was recruited by BYU. On his recruiting trip, he went to a party with LDS and non-LDS athletes where large amounts of alcohol were consumed. He left as he was uncomfortable, returned an hour or so later to find police at the apartment. His host decided it would be best to avoid the area for another hour. When they finally went inside the cops were waiting for them. The cops weren’t too happy with a bunch of underage drinking.
After that was finally calmed down, and they explained that they weren’t at the party, but just lived there, they cleaned up all the alcohol (with the urging of the police) and he thought the craziness was over. Within an hour or so he heard shouting and saw a group of athletes running to the apartment pool with 4 girls in tow, all going skinny dipping. Needless to say, as an LDS youth here in the South, he was quite disturbed by the atmosphere and took his talents to another university.

I don’t think the Deadspin article is entirely correct. But there is a lot of truth to the idea of things being swept under the rug. As an LDS member in a racially charged state, it is quite concerning to see the media’s take on these issues. It was certainly a positive here when the Davies issue was going on. Hopefully the perception of the Church stays positive rather than negative.

by SC_Ute on Apr 19, 2011 12:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Basing your decision on a scant rogue groups of student athletes

is rather myopic. Those incidents do happen, but are the exception, not the rule. That’s not the culture of BYU and illustrating one instance of that as something more than an exception is being dishonest.

by Smills9133 on Apr 30, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

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