Tracking The Cougars: If The Big 12 Comes Calling
Just a short note before I get to the links, I'm going to be testing out a new format for Tracking The Cougars that will hopefully promote more discussion. So on to the links!
Expansion is all but over, so expansion talk should be too right? Well no; especially with the new super conference idea implanted in people's heads. (Learn from the WAC people, learn from the WAC.) Although the Big 12 has stated multiple times since losing Nebraska and Colorado that they have no plans of expanding back to twelve teams pundits continue to speculate who would be a best fit should the conference decide to expand.
The Big 12 Blog at ESPN recently conducted a poll asking fans where they think the Big 12 should expand. Because the most obvious expansion would be getting back to twelve teams the options are in twos with BYU being listed with Air Force. The poll results show that Arizona/Arizona State won a plurality of the votes with 39%. BYU/AFA came in second of four choices with 28% of votes.
David Ubben, the Big 12 blogger, says that inviting either BYU or AFA would be a "solid move" citing their "so-called national brands." Now I have to say that BYU and AFA are national brands, if not on the scale Notre Dame is, and it can be argued that BYU is an international brand. The Big 12s leniency in t.v. contract would also be a plus if BYU wants to bring BYUtv to the table.
Ubben also did a mailbag, taking questions and comments on possible Big 12 expansions scenarios and BYU shows up quite a few times. Some other interesting scenarios include a couple Florida schools (???), Notre Dame with BYU, and Utah with BYU. You can also check the comments for more fan powered speculation.
If the Big 12 does expand and decides to send BYU an invite I think we should take it. Right now I'm loving independence. It provides so many opportunities and openings for BYU football; but I think being in a conference, with the stability that comes with it, would be the best thing. Look at Notre Dame. They were a once proud program on top of the college football world, but now they're struggling in mediocrity with very little to play for.
More links after the jump.
The Sacramento Bee comments on BYU's new football commit, Dylan Collie. I love the comments Collie makes,
Man, you have no idea (how good this feels). It's definitely the place for me. Can't wait to make a difference and keep the Collie name prevalent in Provo and throughout the nation.
If he's anything like his brother this will prove to be a great pickup for BYU.
This is kind of old news but Jake Heaps is the newest BYU cover boy. He made the cover of Athlon Sports along with big names Kellen More and Andrew Luck. The cover with Heaps is expected to hit the market on June 2nd.
BYU leaves the MWC as the top dog in the best way; with conference titles. We have won 140 regular season and tournament titles in all sports in twelve years. For comparison Utah won the second most with 49. That's a difference of 91 in twelve years. Just goes to show how big the losses of BYU and Utah will be to the MWC.
BYU will play New Mexico in the first round of the MWC baseball tournament today as a 3 seed. Because I don't follow baseball that's about all the info I can give on this one.
Sports Illustrated's Andy Staples has his post spring top 25 out. Although BYU doesn't come in he does have Utah at 25. I don't think they've done anything to merit being a top 25 team. Like it says they only return 11 starters, their starting QB sat out of spring practices with a shoulder injury, and they beat no one of merit last year. If they can pull off a few good wins then they deserve to be a top 25 team, but as it is I don't think they belong there.
And then of course there's Jimmer. Who will be facing the next great unknown-at least for him-in the NBA.
EDIT: Forgot about this one. ESPN's Andy Katz takes a look at what BYU basketball might look like in the post Jimmer era.
13 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
that difference is 91
Unless you are refering to something else.
As far as Big12 goes, it depends on the circumstance, the timing & what texas does. If texas manages to go indy (with their new network) I think that conference would fall apart. If that happens, we will see the USC’s & Ohio State’s of the world consider that path as well. If that happens, the BCS would evolve into something else run by just the top teams. If we could get in on that as an indy, I would think it be a better option.
All that aside, we now have the freedom & (based on rumors) top notch scheduling in the pipeline. We need to go win.
Ps side note on scheduling. We can’t have crazy loaded schedules everyweek. We need some “easy” games. I think tom should look to Conference USA west to fill those games.
"You got Jimmer'd!"
Kevin Johnson is the Burklewhisperer!
Follow me on Twitter
Editor & Contributor at VanquishTheFoe.com
by lars.ON on May 24, 2011 2:09 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Wow total fail
I swear I was thinking 91 but my fingers were doing something completely different.
That’s a good point, if Texas does decide to go indy, like some rumor suggest, than we need to stay indy. We can play Texas, Utah and ND every year with maybe one or two more big AQ schools then fill the rest of the schedule with MWC, CUSA teams. We’ll also be playing Hawaii most years and USU every year. That gives us 6 or 7 (if we play at Hawaii) more games to schedule. I’m sure Army and Navy are options too.
Blogger for Vanquish The Foe
Follow me on Twitter @vanquishthefoe
Let's go Cougs!
Being in a conference like the Big 12
as it currently stands would be huge for BYU. First of all, automatic BCS bid to the winner. Secondly, the ability to have our own television network. If Texas can have their own TV network while a part of the Big 12 why can’t BYU. Thirdly, it is such a well respected conference that even the second place team gets into the BCS quite often.
The only way I can see getting into the Big 12 as a problem would be if Texas leaves and it falls apart. Of course, we could always leave too but we would have to start from scratch again. I say stay Indy until/unless it is positive that Texas will stay in the Big 12.
Long live Ninja!
Rise and shout the Cougars are out!!
Author on VanquishTheFoe.com
Follow me on Twitter: @wheatie_87
If Texas goes indy
Wouldn’t OU want to go indy too? Like an, “Anything you can do I can do better” thing.
Blogger for Vanquish The Foe
Follow me on Twitter @vanquishthefoe
Let's go Cougs!
doubt it
I don’t think OU has the national following that texas does. At least it wouldn’t happen at the same time. I could see OU fitting in in the Big 10 or the SEC, heck even the Pac 12.
"You got Jimmer'd!"
Kevin Johnson is the Burklewhisperer!
Follow me on Twitter
Editor & Contributor at VanquishTheFoe.com
by lars.ON on May 24, 2011 3:00 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I think it depends
on whether or not the Big 12 would let BYU keep their own network the way Texas does. The only reason the BIG 12 let Texas do it is because Texas is really the marquee University in the whole conference. I dunno if they’d let BYU have the same privileges or not.
For the Love of the Game
Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!
"I think he just said, 'Oh my Gosh,' or whatever they say in Provo."- ESPN talking about QB. Max Hall after BYU defeated third ranked Oklahoma (2009).
MonSTARZ forever!
Mizzou/Big 12 fan here.
While TX is definitely in the driver’s seat in the Big 12, the conference exists currently due to their willingness to remain in a conference. TX could have gone indy last summer but didn’t.
A couple of things to consider.
1. TX has their network (which was a big key to keeping in the Big 12) but it also allows any other school in the Big 12 to do something similar. The difference is the number of TVs in TX that make a TX network possible and profitable.
2. The Big 12 has tiered TV rights. The TX network is for the third tier rights including one non con FB game each year. Second tier is the recent 13 year TV deal with FOX for 40 FB games each year. That really upped the ante for the remaining 10 schools in the conference . Look for any expansion back to 12 to take place (or become effective) in 2014, when the conference’s first tier rights (18 games/yr.) go up for negotiation with ESPM/ABC. The Big 12 will be one of the last groups in this round of TV deals almost guaranteeing that they get top dollar.
3. Don’t forget about the politics involved. OU would not go indy as they don’t have the state population to make a go of it and may not have the following to have a network either. But the state of OK will not let OU go without OSU. TX is also tied to A&M and more loosely Baylor and Tech due to the Texas legislature. If TX went indy, A&M would find a home in a power conference. Tech and Baylor might not. The reps in the state house that fancy Baylor and Tech know this and will fight it tooth and nail. The teams and can and would bail are Iowa State (teams east and west are Big 10 but they don’t bring much to the table) and Mizzou. Mizzou is the second most populated state in the Big 12 at 5.5M people and only has the one flagship program. We obviously were not first on anyone’s list to leave either and the money makes it very profitable to stay.
Don't Haith the player, Haith the game.
Thanks for coming over!
Those are great points.
1) Texas is also a national brand, making the Texas network that much more profitable.
TX has their network but it also allows any other school in the Big 12 to do something similar.I think this is a key to BYU coming also. They would definitely want to bring BYUtv to the table. It was a big issue with independence and it will be an issue with any conference invitation.
3) Good points about OU. It’s a smaller state and OU isn’t as much of a national brand as Texas. And politics seems to always be an issue with the Big 12-see Baylor instead of TCU in the Big 12. Maybe Texas fans can get some grassroots campaigns going to kick out all Teck and Baylor alums out of state government? :P
Blogger for Vanquish The Foe
Follow me on Twitter @vanquishthefoe
Let's go Cougs!
Thanks for the follow up. I do like the idea of BYU as part of the Big 12.
The only concerns are mainly geographic. Without CU, Utah is a long way from the rest of the conference so another team would need to help fill the gap so to speak.
Air Force was listed as an option that would get us back in the CO market. I know others are looking east rather than west at schools like Louisville and Memphis as that would add contiguous geography to the conference.
Right now, BYU probably has the strongest athletic program of that group although Louisville is not bad. Memphis has a strong BB program but FedEx would need to put some major money into football there to make it go.
Plus I really like the idea of a holy war between the Baylor Baptists and BYU. That could be fun.
Don't Haith the player, Haith the game.
BYU in the Big 12 makes more sense than being in the Big East
If BYU does join a BCS conference, it would be the Big 12. The rumored Big East invite would not be something the Cougars would pounce on because that conference does not offer enough money and exposure to give up independence: http://t.co/7uy4RZd
Hay, welcome to VTF!
Nice link, I would have to agree with that. Another downside of the Big East is traveling week in and week out to the east coast. That would be draining on the team and would also increase travel costs. I like the idea of BYU joining the Big 12 much better.
Blogger for Vanquish The Foe
Follow me on Twitter @vanquishthefoe
Let's go Cougs!
Welcome
Thats a great article. I think the Big East will get pillaged in the next round of realignment by the ACC & the Big 10 after the ACC gets pillaged by the SEC and the Big 10 tries to keep up.
"You got Jimmer'd!"
Kevin Johnson is the Burklewhisperer!
Follow me on Twitter
Editor & Contributor at VanquishTheFoe.com

by 


















