The Pulse: Are BYU Fans Unhappy with Bronco Mendenhall?
For the past two days on the Twittersphere, I have taken part in conversations questioning whether Bronco Mendenhall is best coach for the job. This caught me by surprise as a number of those who posited these questions were individuals I consider to be even-handed and sane BYU fans. (Looking at you @aolsen) I certainly have my thoughts on this idea, but I'll keep them to the comment section of this piece.
The general dialogue settled on a couple of key concepts:
- Is Bronco Mendenhall getting the most out of the program in regards to the talent pool?
- Is there a coach out there (Andy Reid is mentioned the most) who would be a better fit?
- Has Bronco reached his ceiling as a head coach?
Your turn, Cougar Nation...
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I joined the conversation late last night on Twitter with y’all after @CarlBehunin pulled me into it. As he said, I feel the Mendenhall has hit his ceiling as a head coach at BYU. He’s a fantastic DC – there’s no denying it. The crutch is, who is better that can (and will) replace him? As you said, the sexy name is Andy Reid but there are a few issues there, not the least of which is, would he want to? The other I can think of is, is he really “better?” Just because he’s an NFL coach doesn’t mean he’d be a fit for the college game. They are few and far between that can be successful on both levels; the Harbaugh name comes to mind. But I digress.
I think Bronco is getting the most from his talent pool. I think there is just enough “super talent” on this team to be very, very good. The problem is, where are we getting mental toughness from? The 2008 and 2009 seasons shine as disappointments because in spite of all the talent and the set up for nation stage success, we lost the big games because we weren’t ready. We should have been able to compete better with TCU, Utah, and Florida State those seasons, but we didn’t.
Now that I’ve written all this, I don’t know that I addressed any of your questions, but rather raised new concerns.
by @Matt_Quinney on Jan 5, 2012 9:23 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Seriously?
BYU is consistently winning. Have there been slip ups versus top competition? Yes, but let’s not get carried away here. If this expectation is perfect seasons, then we’re being ridiculous. Let’s not dismiss wins in Norman and against Utah just because of a couple of bad showings against TCU and FSU.
To Matt’s point above, who would be better? And stop with the Andy Reid nonsense. The guy has more bagage than J-Lo. BYU wouldn’t touch a couch who has the media perception of being an absent father. And ask Eagles fans about his 4th quarter game management. One season of Andy Reid would likely kill me.
So my challenge to anyone who wants to replace Bronco is: propose a realistic alternative not named Andy Reid. I just don’t see any great alternatives right now that would fit the administrations strict standards.
Not saying Bronco’s infallible or the perfect coach, but don’t forget one of the major lessons of the Crowton years: We can go down, way down, if the wrong coach gets control.
by Adam Mangum on Jan 5, 2012 9:39 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
I think slip-ups is an understatement.
A mid-major should not need 4th quarter rallies to beat Utah State, Tulsa, UCF and Ole Miss. BYU had one of the worst schedules in the nation this year, and they looked far from impressive playing it. I only watched 3 BYU games: Utah, Hawaii and Utah State. I have to be honest, USU outplayed you guys. Luck was on your side those final few minutes. The fact is you just haven’t been able to break into major college football for a while.
Also, you did not win “in Norman.” You won at a neutral site in Dallas. Granted, that was an impressive win at the time, but then OU ended with 5 losses, 2 to unranked opponents.
If you want to get to the next level, you need a new coach. He’s taken you out of your rut, but he’s not the guy that will get or keep you consistently in the top 10.
"Every game matters..... unless you play in the SEC."
by Bring the HAMMER! on Jan 6, 2012 10:55 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I'll say what he was trying to say but more bluntly.
BYU sucks. 10 wins against crap teams doesn’t qualify in most circles as a successful season. Any big time program would have dumped Bronco already. Get a real schedule and start beating real teams. Yeah you only lost to TCU by 10, but most of your points were in garbage time.
If you win a Rose Bowl you are allowed to live in the past.
by Horny-toad on Jan 6, 2012 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You act as if they wanted to play that schedule.
They didn’t really have a choice given how quickly they had to put it together. All things considered, it was probably better than people could have hoped for.
by holly96 on Jan 6, 2012 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
C'mon son
Bronco Mendenhall has five 10-win seasons during his tenure. One can say that he needs to be more prolific at beating good teams, but to insinuate that he should be fired is flat-out ridiculous.
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by Zach Bloxham on Jan 6, 2012 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
When looking at OU's record that season, I think you have to consider their QB going down.
And really, it’s easy for people to say we need a new coach. But who? BYU cannot just go out and hire any coach like other schools can. So in evaluating Mendenhall, you really have to also look at who the alternatives would be.
by holly96 on Jan 6, 2012 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
True.
And Sam Bradford went down during the BYU game. I believe OU was winning when he went down, then the next half they couldn’t score. I do not believe BYU would have won had Bradford played the entire game healthy.
I have to agree with toad. Bronco is a decent coach, but he will not get BYU into a BCS bowl. I’ll go out on a limb and say he will never take BYU to the BCS.
"Every game matters..... unless you play in the SEC."
by Bring the HAMMER! on Jan 6, 2012 5:21 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
In answer to the headline question:
The unreasonable ones who set up unrealistic expectations for the program year in and year out are.
BYU is a unique place, with a unique program requiring a unique coach. Bronco brings the whole package, and wins doing it. If people think someone else could (and would) do the job better, they’re just flat wrong.
I sincerely hope he doesn’t get tired at last of the whiners.
by wildebeeste on Jan 5, 2012 9:51 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Great DC... ok HC
There’s not another top 75 university in the country that would have made him their HC after just one season in the program like BYU did. He didn’t exactly have a long pedigree of success before coming to BYU. Say what you will about being with UNM and earning his stripes under Rocky Long but UNM wasn’t fantastic and Rocky Long to me is overrated.
I think he is a fantastic DC, he’s proven that ability. What’s been questionable about him is getting the right coordinators to surround him. I was not a fan of Jaime Hill from day 1, the same can be said for Brandon Doman.
Schemes and talent can only go so far. Ultimately, until he can prove that he knows how to go out and get a quality OC I won’t raise his profile in my book. I like him, I don’t love him.
by vaughnzipper on Jan 5, 2012 9:59 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Andy Reid
would hopefully expand the recruiting base. This Cougar team is pretty atheltic but I don’t see that as something that will happen year in and year out. I’m not sure that Andy could really be a realistic hire. Bronco is a good coach, but sometimes I feel a little too much like BYU football is treated as a Pop Warner team. I would like to see a little more grit and emotion on the sidelines. As long as Mendenhall continues to produce 10 win seasons, I dont see a justification for him being fired, despite the competetion. When I heard last summer that because the team had played so well they were taking the day off to go to a water park it made me real nervous and after the 54-10 debacle I was on the fire bronco bandwagon. However they keep winning. Next season with what is shaping up to be a much tougher schedule I would think we will know more about Bronco Mendenhall.
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by jspringer51 on Jan 5, 2012 10:51 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Take II
I tend to agree with Adam. Yes, I feel Bronco has taken us about as far as he can/is going to. Should we, as fans, sincerely expect more than 5 of 7 seasons of double-digit wins? Is it really realistic of us to expect BCS when we aren’t currently part of the party? Honestly, even in the seasons when we had a realistic chance to be in the party, we probably would have pulled a Clemson and proved we weren’t ready anyway.
I’ve mentioned Andy Reid in the past but I’m so far off his bandwagon now. It was mentioned that he’d expand recruiting but I don’t think that is true. BYU is going to get the talented LDS kids and the occasional non-LDS stud, but I don’t see who else he is going to bring in that we don’t already get. He’s a very public figure and that is what I think drives the “interest” in him. I don’t think he’d truly mesh well with BYU’s philosophy and just because he is LDS doesn’t make him qualified.
The main problem with us as fans is that we’re used to being the “big brother” in the State and now that Utah has landed two brilliant seasons and now has a seat at the BCS table, we’re jealous and wanting what they have. But we’ve known from the beginning that BYU is unique and we’re going to do it our way; no compromising.
The previously made point about coordinators is probably the best solution to this problem. Bronco needs the right coaches and coordinators and this team can improve. Doman needs time. He learned that this gig isn’t as easy as he maybe hoped for. But he’ll get there. He’s proven his grit and determination to succeed when all logic suggested he should have given up. He’ll get there. (He might want to give up the QB gig for a while, but that’s another story.)
by @Matt_Quinney on Jan 5, 2012 11:36 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Good coach, better fit
Bronco may not be the greatest coach but he clearly is a good one. BYU will never be able to get top-tier talent across the field due to the honor code, so “upgrading recruiting” is a bit of a pipe dream. Bronco is a great defensive coach from an X’s and O’s standpoint and a competent CEO of the program as a whole.
But what makes Bronco successful is that he is a perfect fit for BYU. He buys into the idea that football is not the most important thing he does. He sees the honor code as a blessing instead of a burden. He can take the mature, hard-working, overachievers that will always be the vast majority of the team and develop them into 10-win squads. He is exactly the kind of coach BYU needs and I hope he stays for the next 20 years.
by Dr. Nick on Jan 5, 2012 11:54 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
I agree 100%
With you Dr. Nick. Bronco will be at BYU as long as he wants to be. I think the culture he has instilled in the program is exactly what the school and the church was/is looking for in a head coach.
The problem I think everyone has is the offense; and Bronco is the easiest to blame (which he should take some of it). I think fans see the potential talent we have on offense and we are not sexy on offense as everyone expects so it frustrates fans. I totally disagreed with the hiring of Doman. But Bronco is a defense guy. Plus, just like the HC situation who else are you going to hire as OC??
"Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken"
by MakJaeTDP on Jan 5, 2012 3:32 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
Doman was the right choice
Promoting Doman was a short-term loss, long-term gain for the program. I think Bronco could have gotten a more experienced OC than Doman to replace Anae and maybe done better this year, but I think (and Bronco apparently agrees) that going with someone like Doman who has deep roots in the program (and so would stay for a while) and is a bit of rising star. Also, I think Bronco trusts Doman, which is huge given Bronco’s clear hands-off approach to the offense. Doman clearly has to grow into the role and I don’t think BYU will ever be team that consistently puts 50 points under Bronco and his defensive mind-set, but I’ll take 14-13 wins over 48-41 losses any day of the week.
by Dr. Nick on Jan 5, 2012 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Why all the Andy Reid love?
I am really confused as to why everyone seems to think Andy Reid would make a good college coach. Let’s look at college head coaches who started out as at least 2-year NFL head coaches in the last decade:
Coach School Year Hired/Fired
Pete Carroll USC 2001/Not fired
Chan Gailey Georgia Tech 2002/2007
Bill Callahan Nebraska 2004/2007
Dave Wannstedt Pitt 2005/2010
Mike Sherman Texas A&M 2008/2011
Aside from Carroll who won but also landed USC in serious trouble with the NCAA, this is a list of nearly complete failures. The skill-set needed to be a good college head coach is so different from the skill-set an NFL head coach develops that they are almost never successful. So why on earth would anyone think Andy Reid would be able to recruit and develop high school kids when he’s been used to dealing with seasoned pros?
by Dr. Nick on Jan 5, 2012 12:20 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Bronco has got to be a better fit than Andy Reid right?
Reid probably spends most of his time cussing and swearing at paid professionals. The move to a kindler, gentler, more restrictive college game- especially at BYU -wouldn’t be easy.
by eldermars@yahoo.com on Jan 5, 2012 3:07 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I served in Philly, Andy is pretty classy from what I saw
Gave a couple devos…
by BSUbluNorange on Jan 6, 2012 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Love all the thoughts so far!
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by Brett Hein on Jan 5, 2012 3:47 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I simply think that there are a portion of BYU fans who are have PhD’s in Revisionist Historicism. BYU football is in a better place now than it has been before. Yes, even under Lavell. Throwing out the baby with the bathwater would be the absolute wrong move.
No one understands the culture of the BYU experience better than Bronco Mendenhall. The 2012 BYU squad will the most talented group to ever walk the campus in Provo. If a ceiling as been reached, it is one necessary to the program itself, not to Bronco Mendenhall’s coaching ability.
And finally, success in the NFL + Mormon Church membership does not necessarily = Success at BYU. (See Crowton, Gary) Sure, Reid has more CEO experience and a better resume, but BYU is such a distinct institution that a comparison with any other coach or school simply doesn’t meet the standard of comparability. Truly an apples to oranges proposition.
by Zach Bloxham on Jan 5, 2012 3:54 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I think LaVell still wins
I know Bronco has a better winning percentage, but you can’t argue with a national championship.
by Dr. Nick on Jan 5, 2012 3:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Most Talented
2012 will remain to be seen, but as of now, I still claim 1996 to be the most talented group. Would I be close on that? After all, we did crush the Alliance Bowl with that team.
by @carlbehunin on Jan 5, 2012 6:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Bronco is great, but...
I’m going to keep this short and sweet. If you want me to elaborate, I’d be happy to write a guest post or something.
BYU fans owe Bronco big time for righting the ship and putting BYU back on the national stage. He cleaned house, restored order and brought a winning culture back to LaVell Edwards Stadium.
But I’m certain he can’t take us to the next level. For that to happen we can’t just beat the bad teams. We need to beat the good teams too. Consistently. I’m not sure Bronco can do that.
by Muirbrook on Jan 5, 2012 3:56 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
There are only a handful of coaches who can do that
I can think of maybe a dozen coaches that can consistently beat good teams – Chip Kelly, Cris Peterson, Gary Patterson, Bob Stoops, Bret Bielema, Les Miles, Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, and maybe a few more – and, let’s be honest, BYU isn’t getting any of them and most of them wouldn’t be successful in BYU’s environment anyway. Sure we can dream of a coach that can get BYU into BCS games every year (or even every few years) and run a program the university and the church can be proud of, but the chances of it happening are extremely slim. Bronco isn’t perfect but he is extremely good and we’re lucky to have him.
by Dr. Nick on Jan 5, 2012 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Then find a coach that can.
How come Utah and Boise can get a good coach like Urban and Chris Petersen and BYU can’t? BYU has more tradition than those schools. You just have a disease called apathy and are fine with losing 3 a year. Something in the Provo culture has to change. You have to demand better if you want to get better.
"Every game matters..... unless you play in the SEC."
by Bring the HAMMER! on Jan 6, 2012 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Some part of the Provo culture are never going to change.
BYU is never going to hire a non-LDS head football coach. They just aren’t. So they don’t have nearly as many options as other schools.
by holly96 on Jan 6, 2012 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Totally agree
He’s going to make a good set up coach for someone else to come in and take it up a notch. He’s absolutely been the catalyst for change to get us back on the right path of winning. He’s taken us from freezing under Crowton up to 211 degrees. I just don’t see him as the one to take us up that one degree to 212 and start boiling.
by vaughnzipper on Jan 5, 2012 6:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
So who is that coach?
And maybe more importantly does BYU have a realistic chance of landing them? There is absolutely no reason to think it’s Andy Reid, so who?
by Dr. Nick on Jan 5, 2012 7:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Amen
Couldn’t agree more. He never proclaimed to be a top tier head coach and he’s sticking with what he knows.
by @carlbehunin on Jan 5, 2012 6:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The Coach
In a round about way you’re asking ‘is this what the church wants?’ But let’s break this down by question:
1. Yes. I think Bronco is getting the most out of his players and I think LaVell did too. The gene pool for BYU is much narrower than most schools.
2. and 3. I’ll combine them together. Other than Andy Reid, there would be nobody on the horizon that wants to work in the BYU environment. And Bronco has reached his ceiling; I have no reservations stating it. And I think the church is fine with the job he is doing. Bronco’s own track record tells us a BCS game is so close, yet so far away…i.e the repeated 1-2 starts mostly against BCS schools. Yet, I don’t think the church cares about the BCS. It’s the positive exposure they receive that drives the church. I think the church is the decider here, and they see Bronco doing an great and honorable job coaching the cougars without selling themselves lucratively or morally to try and get to the upper tier FBS. That’s why they didn’t sell out to the Beast, that’s why the Big XII didn’t deal with them, and that’s why Bronco is the Head Coach of BYU for the foreseeable future. BYU does not like change (Thanks Gary Crowton) and if they find the right guy who will stand by BYU’s code, they will not move him out so long as BYU is relevant enough on the national stage. And rest assured, the church likes the 5 10-win seasons in 7 years. As long as he maintains winning seasons and putting the best BYU foot forward, he’s the guy, whether I or anyone thinks he’s peaked as a Head Coach.
by @carlbehunin on Jan 5, 2012 6:31 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Peak or not, BYU won't do better
Even if Bronco has peaked as a coach (and that’s a big if), I don’t think BYU can do better. LaVell didn’t do much better and he was one of the best coaches in the history of college football. Bronco has BYU playing just about as well as it ever has, so is there any reason to expect better from the next guy?
by Dr. Nick on Jan 5, 2012 7:45 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If he's peaked, then what?
If he has peaked (and I feel he has . . . as an HC) then the next step isn’t necessarily getting rid of him. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it right? That means the assistants need to step up.
Admittedly, I was super excited when Doman took the job (he was a senior as Skyline my sophomore year so I feel that attachment) but he obviously took more shots and had more growing pains this year than I think even he expected. Doman will continue to improve as a play-caller, as a game-schemer, and as a player-developer. Just give him time.
I had the discussion with @kingranch51, @kugrlover, and others on Twitter this week about this. The consensus was finding a way to fit in a Detmer or Bosco as a QB coach and revamping the strength and conditioning coaches and program.
BYU is close. I feel they really are. We’re getting more athletes who want something unique, who are talented beyond what BYU is used to getting, and want to play for a coach like Bronco. I think this 2012 team will be fun to watch, but also gut-wrenching. If the QB of 2013 can get some quality time as the 1st backup or even in place of Nelson if he gets hurt, it could be a real fun and special season to watch.
(I’ll defer to the Mangum’s podcast and Dick Harmon regarding the QB situation next season. Go download it; its worth it.)
by @Matt_Quinney on Jan 6, 2012 8:31 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Clemson/Ole Miss, now BYU Syndrome?
1. On what planet are five 10-win seasons (3 of which are 11-win seasons) out of 7 not a superb job? How spoiled do you have to be to want to fire that guy?
2. I still haven’t heard anyone mention the name of any coach that (a) has done better and (b) would ever, ever, ever come coach at BYU. It’s fine to dream—we all have that awkward dream involving Nick Saban—or maybe that’s just me, but when I wake up, I recognize that it is more likely that I will begin dating Marisa Miller and getting paid in Dr. Pepper than BYU would ever hire him.
3. What evidence can anyone articulate to support the proposition that Bronco just doesn’t have “it”, that he can’t get us over “the hump”? He can win 11 games, sure, but asking him to win 12 or 13, well, that’s just imPOSSible. I don’t get it. If your gut tells you that, fine, I got no argument with listening to your own gut.
by @benchmason on Jan 6, 2012 8:43 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Find the coach that has had success at a smaller school and could potentially be the next big name.
If I were BYU I would be trying to get Gary Andersen. He has a extraordinarily mediocre Utah State team competing with Auburn and Oklahoma on the road. What could he do with BYU’s name/talent?
"Every game matters..... unless you play in the SEC."
by Bring the HAMMER! on Jan 6, 2012 11:01 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Gary Anderson will run circles around BYU in a few years at the rate this programs are progressing.
If you win a Rose Bowl you are allowed to live in the past.
by Horny-toad on Jan 6, 2012 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Is he even
LDS?
I bleed blue . . . Cougars, Cowboys, Jazz, Real. Its all blue.
by @Matt_Quinney on Jan 6, 2012 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It's interesting that there really haven't been any big name BYU players to get into coaching...
Oftentimes schools turn to former football players who get coaching elsewhere to come run the program. BYU doesn’t have anyone like that do they?
by BSUbluNorange on Jan 6, 2012 3:06 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
What about Steve Sarkisian
I know he’s not mormon but…
by BSUbluNorange on Jan 6, 2012 3:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Ty Detmer, Steve Young?
Or that guy from ESPN. BYU has many former players that should be very capable coaches and are also LDS.
"Every game matters..... unless you play in the SEC."
by Bring the HAMMER! on Jan 6, 2012 5:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
To Our Visitors
BYU will never hire a non-Mormon coach. It just won’t happen.
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by Zach Bloxham on Jan 6, 2012 4:00 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't be against getting rid of Bronco
As long as Bronco stays on as defensive coordinator. Bronco is a great defensive mind, and if he was to not be our coach, I would want him as our DC.
Personally, I love Bronco as the coach. He took a team that was 26-23 in three years, and lead them to a 66-24 record in six years. I took him twice as long to get just as man losses.
by king.nothing on Jan 6, 2012 8:01 PM PST reply actions 1 recs

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